Onward and Upward - Carthaginian reenacting

[Caballo]

Berbers from the area still use facial tattoos. Common symbols are

[barcid]

true re Roman tattoos ,not on the face tho perhaps :wink: ,there is reference to their appearence in Picards.. The Life & Death of Carthage .

[Lessa]

Hi Jeroen


as you can see in thipicture of funerial mask from Tharros, Sardinia, noserings and earrings where commons in punic society.
I saw a identic mask also in Palermo, Sicily.

Not 100% convinced it was wide spread ,It was known in the middle east, so perhaps amongst Priests & some Conservative upper class elements , & what could the other lines be ,ritual scarring or tattoo . the cartho's were very much a society divided between the old conservatives & the new men ,with alot of styles of clothing ,Hair & habits adopted from the Greeks coming more popular as time went on & the Punic coin images show a more Heroic Hellenistic style . :?

I would look heaps scary with my hoops in & Maori Face happening 8) . I feel if it was common the Romans & Greeks (those from Sicily in particular ) would have mentioned it as another example of the Barbarian

another example.

[Tarbicus]

true re Roman tattoos ,not on the face tho perhaps :wink:

Oh definitely on the face and forehead.

[barcid]

really hock: wow , i love this site 8) a link to any further info . cheers & Lessa nice images perhaps im too conservative

[Lessa]

unfortunally i cannot share a lot of immages of this "phoenician faces", because my scanner is ko, and i have seen all of this in Sardinian archeology books.

Maybe your theory is right barcid. I have also read that in the last times of their fall the Carthaginians where higltly influenced by greeks, in warfare like in behaviour.

:wink:

[barcid]

Cheers Lessa ,i would like to see more when your scanner is fixed, a few images ive found

[Lessa]

woah...wonderfull pices of art....

[ParthianBow]

What a great thread! I've been wary of starting to read all 160+ posts as I know I need to get things as 'correct' as possible for my new novel, Soldier of Carthage, which runs from 220 - 217 BC. It's the first part of a new trilogy I've been contracted for, and will come out in 2011. I'm well into the novel now, and so I've been reading this thread from the beginning for good descriptions of Hannibal's army at Saguntum, and then on the march to the Alps.

I've got AMPW, and Greece and Rome at War, but I'm desperate for any other good photos/pictures of Carthaginian troops (of all types), so I can describe them as accurately as possible. I know there's room for differing opinions, but I'd love to see what some of you guys have come up with, if you'd be good enough to email me your pictures. (I have checked out all the images on this thread.) I'm thinking especially of Dan Z and Barcid, because you both seem to have gone a long way towards creating great takes on Carthaginian troops. but any images from anyone would be wonderful.
It goes without saying that I would credit anyone who shared some images in the notes at the back of the book.
Thanks in advance.

[barcid]

Ben pm me your email address , there are some very good images in the book "warfare in the classical world " also. & nice reenactors & images in the various Spanish threads here at RAT.

[ParthianBow]

Wow - great pictures. I'll do as you say, thanks. Anyone else with good images, please get in touch.
Thanks! :mrgreen:

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Wish I could help, but all the sources of imags I know of have been mentioned above. Love the images in Ancient warfare In Greece and Rome.

[Nearco]

In Athenea Promakhos we are joining also into Carthaginian reenacment, because a lot of people seems to be interested on it. We just have started, and still don't have very elaborated panoply (just recycling the greek and hellenistic panoply by now), but we want to focus in the IInd PW, and we hope to improve our impressions soon

[Dain II.]

Sounds good. :mrgreen: The carthaginian fraction is growing! :twisted:

For the armourquestion I can only add the Herodotpassage about the phoinician linnen armour (maybe of aegyptian origin like the persian ones?) of the 5th BC but in which manner and if they still used at II. PW is not known as far as I know. I have to search for it in the Historys and will post it here as soon as I found it again.

An other point about carthaginian arms, was a Porpax found with the carthaginian aspiscover which is now in the Louvre? An if, was it detachable with hinges like some italian porpakes and the lakedaimonian, was it iron or bronze, which shape and fixation and so on? Does anybody know?

lg Stephan

[Caturix]

These are some pictures from the event "Battle at Trasimene" that we do the previous weekend (notably, almost tha same date of the hystorical battle) at Malpasso, Tuoro sul Trasimeno (the exact place of the battle).

I klnow that are not correct at 100%, but all the groups involved are normally III-II B.C. Celtic reenacting groups, and we make a big effort in a little amount of time to make up a good Hannibal's army composition.

If the project will go further (as we hope), we will continue to improve.

Hannibal's Army: From the left to the right, the Cisalpine Gauls and the Celtiberians, with Balearic slingers crouched in the front, three Lybo-Phoenician officers, and the Ligurians.


Cisalpine Gauls, Celtiberians Caetrati, Balearic Slingers


Celtiberian Caetrati, Lybo-Phoenician veterans (thanks to Andy and Barcid for the inspiration for the shields' theme), Ligurian skirmisher


Balearic slingers making slingshots in lead


Insubrian Gaul Chief


Another Insubrian Gaul Chief


Celtiberian Caetrati


Ligurians (armors taken from celto-ligurians statues of Glanum and Roquepertuse)


The roman army of consul Flaminius