Philip of Macedonia Illustration

[Johnny Shumate]

Gioi,
Email to me a larger image of the reproduction...
Thanks,
Johnny

[Paullus Scipio]

Gioi, try this :-

[url:2iahi4k3]http://www.livius.org/ap-ark/appian/appian_syriaca_13/html[/url]

.......has the quote, though you pretty much have all of it. If I didn't get the url right, it is fellow RATter Jona Lendering's Livius site - google will get you there

[fixed the link, JO]

[Paullus Scipio]

I guess you probaly found it by now, but alas the anecdote doesn't say when, but I would guess on a hunting trip rather than in battle - neither Alexander nor Lysimachus seem to be wearing a helmet, and it is unlikely the footmen would keep up with cavalry on the battlefield in Alexander's day ( Yes, there are examples of footmen going into battle alongside cavalry in other eras, but this was usually done to bolster weak cavalry or poor horsemen, which hardly applies here ! )
The anecdote is quoted ( and may be 'mythical anyway) to show that Lysimachus was destined to wear a royal diadem (become a king) c.f. a similar story concerning a sailor retrieving Alexander's royal diadem when it blew of his head.

[Celtic505]

Wow!! A masterpiece!

[D B Campbell]

Gioi, try this :- [url:b827j734]http://www.livius.org/ap-ark/appian/appian_syriaca_13/html[/url]

I think it's actually THIS -- and scroll down to [§64]!

[Johnny Shumate]

You can buy Philip online:
http://www.ancientsculpturegallery.com/ ... nians.html

[bachmat66]

Alexander mosaic images

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alexandermosaic.jpg
http://www.isidore-of-seville.com/Image ... der/5.html
http://www.astro.rug.nl/~weygaert/alexandermosaic.html

and restoration/copy:
http://www.kokomosaico.com/eng/battagli ... fault.html

Johnny,
by the way - this swords Macedonian king entourage in caring in your image were they this shiny?

I just learned ( way to late to paint correctly the Sassanian swords in my images for the last AWM issue) from the noted author and specialist on the subject of Persian swords and steel ,Mr. Khorasani, that Achaemenid Persians swords were rather dark in colour because of the kind of steel they were using and not shiny at all, and Persian steel was the best all the way until the XIX (19th) century AD. Macedon was under the Persian and Thraco-Scythian 'spell' - in many ways, I guess, and perhaps they were importing steel ingots from the Persians or had Persian exiles swords smiths there? (there were plenty Persians at the Macedonian court during the IV century BC) Perhaps someone from the membership would have more info on this subject

I wonder if you could add some foam to the horses' mouths, I think they must have been salivating a lot - these 'Boeotian' snaffle bits you are showing in your painting were made of mixture of copper and iron, making them 'sweet' to horse's mouth and causing them to salivate a lot (which is always very good for any horse and his mouth). Since they had tiny spikes as well inside the mouth, then perhaps some blood too. Ann Hyland discusses this aspect of the 'Greek' bits in her book, 'Ancient Horse.' I may venture to say that this could add even more realism to your painting.
I wander what they used to goad their horses into action - spurs? or perhaps flats of the swords? or like the Persians and other Iranians they used nahayka/whip to make their horses go everywhere?

Does anyone know if Macedonians rode stallions or geldings?
Persians rode stallions and Scythians supposedly rode geldings..

ps
I was wondering -having read some ancient and not so ancient writers on horsemanship (it helps I got a little undergraduate degree in animal breeding and management) - whether gray or white horses would have been ridden at all back then 2,500 by the warriors and their kings of the Balkans, Central Asia and Western Asia kingdoms and states.As it was then and is still a firm belief amongst horse people that horses with white or gray coats, and white stockings that have light hooves could be useless as their hooves are brittle and prone to breaking. Nowadays you can use good shoes and farrier's care to prevent problems, but back then they did not use horseshoes, and had to select their mounts based first on their soundness, thus extra sound horse-hoof was one of the basic elements of required conformation of war or a ridding horse. The Saka finds at Pazyryk found no gray or white horses, or horses with white stocking/markings on their lower legs. So perhaps Philip also rode a bay or some other dark color horse, instead of a white one?