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Building a ballista/palinton - student masterpiece
#1
Hello everyone,

My name is Hidde Nieboer I'm a student from Amsterdam and I'm planning to build a ballista or a palintone as a final project to finish my education.
Now the thing is, I dont have any experience on building these things. I do have a lot of experience in woodworking.
So what I am looking for is:
- tips and tricks on how to build these things
- pictures of the shooting mechanism
- sizes
- construction drawings

When it is finished it will be for sale.

Thanks to everyone in advance!!!!! Confusedmile:


I already have bought this book:
Roman artillery by Alan Wilkins

The following books are on their way throught the post:

Greek and Roman Artillery 399 BC - AD 363 Duncan B. Campbell

The Art of the Catapult: Build Greek Ballistae, Roman Onagers, English Trebuchets, and More Ancient Artillery Gurstelle, William

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#2
Try contacting II AVG.NL...they could help you. a quick Google search should produce contact details....if not, give me shout.
Kevin
Kevin
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#3
a very good link for a scorpio building
http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~whutchis/sco...tation.pdf

and the site having other info as well:
http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~whutchis/scorpion/

try to read Vitruvius as well as Hieron

I think if you want to know all you should try to find a copy of
Greek and Roman artillery of E.W. Mardsen
https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbo=p&tb...gws_rd=ssl
they are 2 books one is the historical development and the other is the technical treaties, I would recommend the second

You will not find them in a bookstore so try libraries

Duncan (yes Mr. Campbell) can help a lot if you have questions, I bet, he will probably pop up at a certain stage

good luck with your project and be patient
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#4
We still lack a well done onager! This may be a bit less ambitious project, but should be a lot of fun, too. And these will throw a fair sized rock or flaming bundle as well. There are some threads on this forum discussing the Roman onager, which has been decribed in detail by a Roman author. However, his discription has caused a good deal of debate. In the end, I think we more or less solved the mechanics of what he describes, by just letting go of what we think we know and taking it at face value. The devise can also be taken apart quite easily for transport. It does require some hefty timber and good woodworking, certainly the bent arm.
Salvete et Valete

Nil volentibus arduum


Robert P. Wimmers
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#5
Quote:Duncan (yes Mr. Campbell) can help a lot if you have questions, I bet, he will probably pop up at a certain stage
The ballista/palintonon is a tall order, particularly as we cannot agree what it ought to look like. I dodged the issue a little in my Greek and Roman Artillery (2003), where I more or less followed the recommendations of Schramm. (Both Marsden and Alan Wilkins do likewise.) Ten years on, I now incline towards the view that the palintonon was radically different from the arrow-shooting euthytonon (see Hesperia 2011).
posted by Duncan B Campbell
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#6
Everybody thanks a lot allready!
Tomorrow I am going to have a presentation about my plans and my teachers give me a go or a no.
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#7
This might be interesting for some of you.

The projectile trowing engines of the ancients by Sir Ralph Payne-Gallwey

https://www.tcd.ie/mecheng/assets/Mangon...cients.pdf
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#8
nice one but be careful the terminology and lots of ideas are pretty old
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#9
Quote:be careful - the terminology and lots of ideas are pretty old
In particular, Payne-Gallwey's "balista" is actually an arrow-shooting catapulta. It is a euthytone, not the palintone that you are looking for.
posted by Duncan B Campbell
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