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Pugio Database Structure
#46
I remember a bone or ivory handle, without metal plates, that are clearly for a rod type. It's published in the Journal of Roman Military Equipment Studies.

Some of the plates founded without pugio can easily be for a rod type. And some of the pugiones preserved with handle could be of rod type. It's dificult to say, because only a few are correctly/detailed published.
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#47
One of the daggers from Usk has a rod tang and a preserved handle. However I am unaware of any organic remains which have survived, meaning that the actual construction of the handle is still not obvious.

http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/content/ ... 4_1657.JPG

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#48
Thanks guys. There seem to be quite a few example of blades with rod tangs, but not a great deal of evidence for handles. I am considering another pugio project (plain rhomboidal blade with rod tang, no mid rib), but hit a wall regarding the handle.
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#49
Go for a "monolitic" central piece of wood of square section. Made a axial hollow for pass the rod. Put two plates of metal and another one at the top, with a central hollow to pass the rod, and peen it over.

As Crispus said, there's not much evidence. The bone piece that i have cited is made in the way i have proposed, so why don't use it? I think it will works fine.
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#50
A monolithic sword or dagger handle made from jet (stone) was found in the Walbrook Mithraeum. This handle has a round hole for the tang.

I believe more information can be found in:

Stepherd, J. (1998) Excavations in the Walbrook Mithraeum. London.

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#51
Thanks Cesar and Jef - I shall do a bit more research on this. I understand what you are saying about the monolithic handle Cesar, but does this follow the shape of other pugio types, or is it more in the fashion of a mini gladius handle and pommel?
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#52
Follows the typical pugio handle.
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#53
Quote:Thanks Cesar and Jef - I shall do a bit more research on this. I understand what you are saying about the monolithic handle Cesar, but does this follow the shape of other pugio types, or is it more in the fashion of a mini gladius handle and pommel?

The jet handle from the Walbrook mithraeum is a monilithic smallish gladius handle. But the handle has more finger grooves than a regular gladius handle's four. About 6 grooves I think.

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#54
Thanks Jef Big Grin I like the idea of a pugio with a handle similar to a gladius.
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#55
That sort of handle would have been a replacement and not an original feature. If you were thinking of doing that I would suggest that the overall look of the both dagger and sheath would be quite old and worn, neither of which would be a bad thing considering soldiers served for up to 26 years and no equipment stays new forever (not to mention the fact that not everyone will have new equipment at the same time).

At this stage I think I must state however, that this is supposed to be a dedicated thread about the structure of the pugio database. If we are to keep talking about the current subject matter, enjoyable and interesting as it is, it should really be in the re-enactment and reconstruction area.

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#56
You are absolutely right Crispvs - apologies for taking this off at a tangent!
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