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Roman Bridle Bits - Vindex - 12-03-2013
As part of my research into Roman cavalry and the three year quest for the perfect saddle, I received a major element to assist with my research today.
A HUGE thank you to Robert Wimmers and his blood, sweat and tears in making these fabulous bits for me. For the smiths amongst you, I am sure Robert will answer any questions you may have on how they were made. For me, even after a few hours of having them in my hands, their relationship - or not - to the saddle design is worth so much more now I can handle them and see how they would work in the horse's mouth.
One of them I am not so sure is a bit at all, which then begs the question what it is. Two of them I firmly believe are driving bits for other equids or even oxen. The final two curb bits, the one from Newstead (which should be well known to cavalry enthusiasts) and the other from Nijmegen may look like severe pieces of kit, but I would remind riders and non riders alike that it is not the bit which is severe, but the hand holding the rein.
Roman Bridle Bits - Vindex - 12-03-2013
...and in the same post I received my bridle decorations from Brian (plus some glorious extras!)
Roman Bridle Bits - jvrjenivs - 12-03-2013
Looks very good, Moi! Good luck with your research.
Roman Bridle Bits - Robert - 12-04-2013
Given the use of notoriously stuborn mules by the army, perhaps the Newstead snaffle bit (nicknamed "the Twister") could have been used for them as driving bits, given there is only two rings? Oh well, what do I know, I just hit hot iron :-)
Roman Bridle Bits - Vindex - 12-04-2013
No, I reckon you are right, and the other, flat tongued bit is for the same reason.
I am really curious about the other one though - what else could it be from is it is not a bit for an animal's mouth?
Roman Bridle Bits - Flavivs Aetivs - 12-04-2013
Yeah I've heard that the way horses' bits worked back then was a little cruel. Of course though its like a sword or a gun - not a weapon until it's used as one. A choice of the rider to be cruel, not the bit.
Which one is the one you are doubtful is even a bit? It's either the first or the second one I think (the second one looks more like a bear trap than a bit...)
Roman Bridle Bits - Vindex - 12-04-2013
It is the first one, Evan. The second one is also probably a driving bit.
Roman Bridle Bits - Vindex - 12-05-2013
Quote:Yeah I've heard that the way horses' bits worked back then was a little cruel. Of course though its like a sword or a gun - not a weapon until it's used as one. A choice of the rider to be cruel, not the bit.
Without getting too philosphocal, a sword or gun is intended to be used for violence, a bridle bit is not:
.“Lightness is not the bit; lightness is the outcome of an athletic development and a coordination of the horse physique allowing superior body control. Lightness involves the legs, the seat, the hands and above all, the brain.” Jean Luc Cornille
Roman Bridle Bits - 66kbm - 12-06-2013
Hi all
Firstly I agree with Evan that the second one looks like a bear trap.....nasty.
Secondly, nice bits Moi, thank you for displaying them for all of us to see.
Thirdly, the first pic is missing the caption..........."Is something missing in Your love life"
Kevin
Roman Bridle Bits - Vindex - 12-06-2013
Nice one, Centurion...
Roman Bridle Bits - 66kbm - 12-06-2013
Well done to Robert for making these.very difficult pieces .
Kevin
Roman Bridle Bits - Robert Vermaat - 12-09-2013
Great research and great reproductions.
Roman Bridle Bits - Flavivs Aetivs - 12-09-2013
Quote:Magister Militum Flavius Aetius post=347500 Wrote:Yeah I've heard that the way horses' bits worked back then was a little cruel. Of course though its like a sword or a gun - not a weapon until it's used as one. A choice of the rider to be cruel, not the bit.
Without getting too philosphocal, a sword or gun is intended to be used for violence, a bridle bit is not:
.“Lightness is not the bit; lightness is the outcome of an athletic development and a coordination of the horse physique allowing superior body control. Lightness involves the legs, the seat, the hands and above all, the brain.” Jean Luc Cornille
That's true, but still someone had to think "I'm going to intend to use this for violence." Until then a sword is just a hunk of metal and wood. Someone had to think "I want to be mean to this animal" is what I'm saying, the bit itself is not cruel no matter how it looks to our eyes. But that's getting too philosophical, isn't it?
With a bit you are right, there's a lot more coordination than just pulling the reins. I've never ridden a horse and even I know that. Props to Robert for making such wonderful pieces.
Roman Bridle Bits - Viridis Latrans Lupus Can - 01-10-2014
Man those Look Painful....... Id never use anything like that on my Horse....... Ever........... Its been some time i know but I kind of Hurt myself good..... Brused the Heck out of my Pelvus and Cracked my Tibia on my Right....... My new horse is rather Stuborn........... but Damn those Bits look Very Very Painful........
Roman Bridle Bits - Vindex - 01-11-2014
Quote:Man those Look Painful....... Id never use anything like that on my Horse....... Ever........... Its been some time i know but I kind of Hurt myself good..... Brused the Heck out of my Pelvus and Cracked my Tibia on my Right....... My new horse is rather Stuborn........... but Damn those Bits look Very Very Painful........
Victor - it is not necessarily the bit that it severe, it is the hand on the end of the rein. If you compare these bits to the modern world there are many direct comparisons in reining, polo and even showjumping when accuracy and instant obedience is required (just like a cavalry horse, although less of the showjumping!!)
Some of them are certainly for driving which is a completely different hand/mouth relationship.