New Apulo-Corinthian helmet

[caiusbeerquitius]

Oh. It is a bit on the large side.

[Darth_Roach]

That seems a bit large for an Apulo-Corinthian. Albeit if it's an early evolution, it could be like that.

[John Conyard]

Taken from the link I posted above,

"The only serious attempts at classification have been those of Angelo Bottini, first in 1983 with an appendix to his article on cinturoni a placche (belts of bronze plates affixed to a leather backing), and then more thoroughly seven years later."

Angelo Bottini (1983). "Gli Elmi 'Apulo-Corinzi'." AION AnnArchStAnt (Istituto Orientale di Napoli, Annali Archeologici e Storici Antici) 5, pp. 53-63.
--- (1988). "Apulisch-korinthische Helme." Antike Helme: Sammlung Lipperheide und andere Bestaende des Antikenmuseums Berlin, Mainz. pp. 107-136
--- (1990). "Gli Elmi Apulo-Corinzi: Proposta di Classificazione." AION AnnArchStAnt , pp. 23-37.
Bottini (1990) divides the class into five types lettered A-E:

The new DSC helmet is a Type A, with open eyes, a nose-guard raised in relief, and wholly separate cheek-guards.

You can see a variety of reports listed, some with photos.

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dpd/italica/ap...html#TypeA

In all honesty some less wide, but many if not most type A's are wider.

It sounds like Christian will not be stocking them, but I bought mine from Adrian who had them in stock at TORM, http://www.armamentaria.com/store/
and presumably you can buy them direct from DSC.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Wholly separate cheek pieces? That would indicate more of the face left uncovered by the helmet,, wouldn't it?

[richard robinson]

John
Congratulations on another brilliant ensemble. That corselet is intense. My wife would love the colour cordination with the helmet. I am wondering what cupric alloy you made your scale from and whether there is scale under the decoration on your yoke.

Richard Robinson

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

I am impressed. I honestly do not know if there were so big apulocorinthians as to be worn normally on the head, despite the separate cheek guards and relatively big eye holes. I haven't seen many in museums to judge myself. My worry is not the typology of the characteristics, but the size and the way it is meant to be worn.
But i like how it looks, and it even resembles an early corinthian.
Doesn't it move right and left? And wouldn't even a light blow dislocate the positioning of the eye holes?
Khaire
Giannis

[John Conyard]

Well I do not want to be in a position of defending, or criticising this helmet :-) But yes Giannis, it does look just like an archaic Corinthian. ;-) I was very struck by the shape and the decoration when I saw it.

As you know I am rather keen on making sure helmets are well padded and fit for purpose. I land on my head too often. I bought this helmet, stuck it in a corner and did not really look at it until yesterday. But in terms of padding it you need to concentrate on the skull, especially for me around the sides of the helmet. I used felt to get the basic shape right in ten minutes, and made sure one of my old felts hats fitted inside. The padding holds it securely in place but I added a chin strap to make sure. The strap is made of goat skin which normally stretches and has some natural elasticity.


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I padded the nasal bar since my nose and the bridge of my nose normally seems to take an impact. But the cheek pieces seem so far away from my face I have not yet bothered the cover them in felt. And I rather like the spacious feeling inside the helmet.

There is a simple article about the armour here:

http://earlyridinggroup.org/research_cuirass.html

http://earlyridinggroup.org/research_cuirass2.html

I hope there will eventually be a raft of useful information on the Early Riding Group site.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

My thoughts exactly giannis!

[John Conyard]

I suspect the DSC helemt is based on this from the Guttmann collection.

5th century B.C.
A bronze helmet with a distinct skull part. The face adorned with chased gabled brow and eyebrow lines, and a nasal The forked crest holder rivetted to the crown is bent sideways. Remains of rivetting belonging to a previous crest holder on the crown. The face opening and the lower rim of the helmet are decorated with an engraved herringbone-pattern band, the eyeholes and nasal with a triple line. Two large antithetical boars are engraved on the cheek plates. Their bristling backs are emphasised by engraved hatching. The short triangular notches on both sides are ornamented with engravings of lotus blossoms filled with punched dots, with a hole for attaching a chinstrap beneath them. The neck guard is rather wide for this type.
A reddish-brown patina on an almost completely intact metallic substance. Minor additions to the neck guard . Height (excluding crest holder) 16.5 cm, weight 833 g.
A rare helmet, an early example of its type, with its metallic substance almost perfectly preserved.


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[Gaius Julius Caesar]

If the measurements are the same or similar, it answers my question
About the helmet openings leaving the top of the head open to attack ( while providing good ventilation)
! As I have always gone with the impression of these fitting o. Top of the head
This makes it more logical!

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Thanks for posting this John, this is certainly the helmet they copied.
Look at the helmet below, your helmet being bigger than the original resembles this early corinthian typology i think.

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Khaire
Giannis

[Virilis]

I think this Guttman helmet was meant to be weared on the top of the head? If I remember correctly the apulo-corinthian helmets are found only from the italian peninsula? Correct me if I am wrong !

[John Conyard]

Nearly all are found in Italy. The exception is the one from Krško (Gurkfeld an der Save), Slovenia Berlin Antikenmuseum (L30) Confronted boars. H 185mm, L 291mm, W 192mm, Th. 0.7-2.0mm Antike Helme p. 422 s.

Early type A's were worn as an archaic Corinthian........ :roll: Which is rather the point. :lol: This re-production looks like an archaic Corinthian.

I cannot find the size of this particular ex Guttmann example that DSC copied. There were several of them. Seven type A's alone.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

One of your links state it as 16cm in height?
That is a bit shallow for an archaic corinthian?
As giannis mentions even a light blow would unsettle it!

[caiusbeerquitius]

Early type A's were worn as an archaic Corinthian........

In regard of the sizes of these I rather doubt that. Where did you read this? Usually the eye openings are far too close together, and too small, e.g.. Antike Helme Kat. 39, I think is one of the largest, and that one would be way too small to wear as a real corinthian.

See also Dan´s great list:
Apulo Corinthians list

plus the pics of type A´son his site:








(#27 is IMO not really an Apulo-Corinthian, it lacks too many specifica)