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Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - Helveticus Palatinae - 02-05-2008
Hello,
I am working about military equipment from the col of great St. Bernhard. Among that equipment I have been found an enormous socketed pilum which is about 87 cm long (see attachment).
Has anyone seen a direct parallel? Is it perhaps republican equipment?
Thanks for help in advance,
Greetings, Eckhard
Re: Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - Robert Vermaat - 02-05-2008
How about an angon? That's seen as a Late Roman variant of the pilum, even though this looks massive!
But I know that a Late Roman plumbata (leaded dart) was also found on the St. Bernard (maybe you have a good picture of that?), so I guess it could be from the same period.
Or not, of course. :wink:
Re: Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-05-2008
I have seen a drawing somewhere that looks similar to this, but it was perhaps of this same object.? I seem to recall it on here somewhere. :?
Re: Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - Conal - 02-05-2008
Lots of Celtic graves from Northern Italy have socketed pilum in them. Might have been dropped by one of them ?
Question about pilum - Helveticus Palatinae - 02-07-2008
Thank you very much for that informations.
Yes, that pilum has first been published in 1892 and yes, there exists although a plumbata. Thank you for the suggestions of celtic graves.
We have a lot of militaria from the Great St. Bernhard and it is planed to publish them all in spring (congres in Aosta).
I am just finishing the manuskript and will let you know when the ongres-acta are coming out.
Greetings, Eckhard
Re: Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - Robert Vermaat - 02-07-2008
Thank you very much Eckard.
Question about signa from the GSB - Helveticus Palatinae - 02-12-2008
Hello,
My paper about military equipment from the Great St. Bernhard is going on and now i study about some sort of signa, which has been found four times on the GSB. I can't find any exact parallels and so I would be happy if anyone else could help me with an suggestion (or is is it perhaps a candelabra?)
Greetings, Eckhard
Re: Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - Peroni - 02-12-2008
Maybe the drawing is upside-down (?) It could be a butt spike for a standard. There are depictions on grave stele of signifers that show something very similar at the bottom of the standard pole.
Like this one from Carrawburgh (Third Century)
http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/component/ ... Itemid,94/
Alternatively can it be certain that the object is military and not a tool of some sort?
Publication Great St. Bernhard - Helveticus Palatinae - 07-04-2008
Hello everybody,
The Congress-Acta about the Great St. Bernhard have now been published.
You can download them under the following link
http://www.minellono.it/archivio/alpis_poenina_pdf.zip
It is not only about military equipment and it is in french, but perhaps is someone anyway interested .
Greetings, Eckhard :wink:
Re: Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - Arahne - 07-04-2008
Laudes for offering the whole congress acta on the internet for free download. It is always nice to have an expert for roman millitary equipment here on RAT.
Re: Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - Alexandr K - 07-04-2008
Great! Thank you very much, Eckhard!
Greetings
Alexandr
Re: Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - le Cavalier Invisible - 07-04-2008
Thanks Eckhard, laudes!
Re: Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - Hibernicus - 07-05-2008
Looks like a peavy or a cant hook
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/fsp ... fig112.gif
Re: Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-05-2008
A boat hook?
Re: Question about a pilum from the great St. Bernhard pass - Robert Vermaat - 07-05-2008
Thanks Eckhard!