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Spelling? - Mitra - 09-17-2008
I read yesterday a professor of University College of London (John Wells?) proposes to abolish the spelling in English language, because the many problem it generate.
The problem is little mysterious to me, because in italian language like the spanish, the words are written exactly like we pronounce them (a part very few exceptions, memoryzed from the first grade school), so I never thought other languages can have this problem when spoken from mother language people.
For a mother language english is really so difficult made the spelling of some words? or it is a exaggeration of journalist?
Re: Spelling? - Jona Lendering - 09-17-2008
I think this example sums up the problems. And I bless the Italians; if you can read it, you know how to pronounce it.
Re: Spelling? - Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-17-2008
:roll: Whut ever neckst? :lol:
Re: Spelling? - M. Demetrius - 09-17-2008
Too many different languages as root languages in English to establish any particular rules.
Rule #1: There are no spelling or grammar rules in the English language that have no exceptions except this one.
Re: Spelling? - Libitina - 09-18-2008
Quote::roll: Whut ever neckst? :lol:
That's a very intelligent way to spell. Text speak would have that at "wat evr nxt". Even my mum types "gud" for "good" in a text message which I HATE. To me it says gud, as in mud, not good.
Was the article referring to the way young people write words nowadays or just that it can be hard language to learn?
Re: Spelling? - Libitina - 09-18-2008
Quote:Too many different languages as root languages in English to establish any particular rules.
Rule #1: There are no spelling or grammar rules in the English language that have no exceptions except this one.
:lol:
"i before e except after c" ..... except for science, vein, ancient and many others...
Re: Spelling? - M. Demetrius - 09-18-2008
Yep.
Re: Spelling? - Magnus - 09-18-2008
Personally I think it's crap. This whole concept just shows another facet of how lazy humans have become. I can remember taking actual spelling classes when I was in grade 1-3. To me it's an integral part of any language, it just takes some time and practice.
I think it if the written language degrades, it won't be long until the spoken language degrades more-so than it already has.
Re: Spelling? - hoplite14gr - 09-18-2008
Quote:Personally I think it's crap. This whole concept just shows another facet of how lazy humans have become. I can remember taking actual spelling classes when I was in grade 1-3. To me it's an integral part of any language, it just takes some time and practice.
I think it if the written language degrades, it won't be long until the spoken language degrades more-so than it already has.
Strongly agree :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
I must add that modern schools encourage avoidance - and NOT only in spelling.
Kind regards
Re: Spelling? - Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-18-2008
Hmmmm, I always wondered what they meant by 'Back to Basics'....
grunt like a cave man? sign language and the rest.....
Re: Spelling? - Mitra - 09-18-2008
Quote:Gaius Julius Caesar:3pa884gm Wrote::roll: Whut ever neckst? :lol:
That's a very intelligent way to spell. Text speak would have that at "wat evr nxt". Even my mum types "gud" for "good" in a text message which I HATE. To me it says gud, as in mud, not good.
Was the article referring to the way young people write words nowadays or just that it can be hard language to learn?
No he spoke of many errors found in curriculum vitae.
Re: Spelling? - M. Demetrius - 09-18-2008
The sad part comes from a shift in educational philosophy, at least in the US. I was in an informal writing class, and a High School English teacher told us with satisfaction that "...we don't worry about spelling and grammar any more, the students have computer programs to take care of that. We just want them to get their ideas on paper."
I said, being the perennial smartass, "Ok, so you're having trouble with your car motor. I come to your house with an acetylene torch and a sledge hammer. I say, 'Let's just open the motor up and see what the problem is.' Why do you stop me?"
She said, "Because you don't have the right tools."
I said, "Exactly right. And you're not giving your students the right tools, either. They will be literary cripples all their lives."
We weren't very good friends after that. Go figure.
Re: Spelling? - Libitina - 09-19-2008
Quote:Personally I think it's crap. This whole concept just shows another facet of how lazy humans have become. I can remember taking actual spelling classes when I was in grade 1-3. To me it's an integral part of any language, it just takes some time and practice.
I think it if the written language degrades, it won't be long until the spoken language degrades more-so than it already has.
My daughter has brought home spellings still for the past couple of years (she's 6). She has a test every friday and was writing them out last night. One was "knight" and I could hear her under her breath going "ker-nig-it". I was go proud of my Monty Python child :lol:
The trouble is spelling tests stop in the older classes so although we can all spell "dog" and "water" some of us struggle with anything longer
Re: Spelling? - Jona Lendering - 09-19-2008
Quote:The trouble is spelling tests stop in the older classes so although we can all spell "dog" and "water" some of us struggle with anything longerI always thought it was rather unfair to criticize Dan Quayle for not being able to spell potato; the English language simply has a spelling system that depends on its past, not on usefulness. I would not be too harsh upon erroneous spelling. Had Quayle become president, he would have at least one point in common with the emperor Augustus.
Re: Spelling? - Magnus - 09-19-2008
I don't see why it can't be upgraded or modernized, to a point, but there's no requirement for kids these days (or adults) utilize grammar and spelling on the level of a caveman lol.