deepeka gallicus g OR h/hamata button

[tortous]

... as a terrible newbie i'll begin with some boring questions.
- i have a doubt choosing my helmet: it's better the deepeka gallicus G or H?
- i'm searching doc for the button of the hamata... it's easy to find hooks, but i don't understand how the round button are made and how to fix the round button to the hamata.

... sorry for my poor english.

[LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS]

Hello, and welcome!

Both are good helmets (the new ones). Gallic g is earlier and H is for a post-flavian impression.

The method of atach the buttons is a nail riveted trough a plate in the innerside. You have to put a space free to get the hooks pass between the mail and the button. Better an image.

[Aurelianus]

Should there not be a leather between the hamata and the "cape"?

[Primvs Pavlvs]

Aurelianus,

This is a debated subject from what I can tell. However I feel that the leather backing to the maille does make more sense.

[LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS]

The diagram was made a little quickly, to shows the method of rivetting of the button. But, yes, probably the doubling could have a integral leather backing.

[Tarbicus]

Some have experimented using rawhide beneath the doubling, like John McDermott.

[Aurelianus]

Some have experimented using rawhide beneath the doubling, like John McDermott.

Good idea!!!! That's quite possible that the soldier have taken rawhide. Its attributes well speak for this solution. Probaley there have been several solutions. There has been allways "the individual taste" and focal points as well!

[Marcus Mummius]

Some have experimented using rawhide beneath the doubling, like John McDermott.

Good idea!!!! That's quite possible that the soldier have taken rawhide. Its attributes well speak for this solution. Probaley there have been several solutions. There has been allways "the individual taste" and focal points as well!

The rawhide should be coated with lineseed oil to make it water resistant. Otherwise it will get soft in the rain and mouldy after a while...

Kind regards,

[Tarbicus]

All that said....
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[tortous]

lucius - thx for the schema.
- there is some archeological evidence about the use of the leather between the hamata and the cap or is only recostruction hypothesis?

[Cornelius Quintus]

Ave Taruffi and welcome on RAT!

as already mentioned, just keep an eye on the 'N' at the end of Deepeeka's product code, indicating the new, highly improved items.

The new Gallic G and H both are great (but avoid the old ones).

Concerning a leather layer attached to the doubling: That might lead to a better comfort when wearing the mail shirt. Otherwise, the riveted rings of the shirt and the doubling might interlock? With the leather layer, the doubling seems to be able to glide a little bit, but not too much, because knobs, hook and partially interweaving on the back will hold it in general position.

Personal experiences of comrades who are wearing a doubling with rim-lining only or a complete layer will be interesting.

BTW: fantastic illustration, Cesar!

[Peroni]

IMHO a doubling with no backing would serve no purpose whatsoever when considering blunt force trauma. You might as well only have one layer of mail. The leather backing would allow the dissipation of a great deal of the impct shock through the top layer of mail before reaching you shoulder.

Add to that a padded subarmalis, and you have a formidable armour.