On the subject of the Kopis, I would argue for a possible Greek origin on the basis that the Argive shield and the accopanying Hoplite panoply and tactics were, in themselves, a departure from tradition. Indeed, many scholars talk of "The Hoplite revolution". The kopis seems to me a weapon better-suited to Hoplite warfare than the xiphos ( even the broader-bladed varieties) because it's a "can-opener" - a heavy weapon ideal for smashing down onto helmeted heads or through the rims and bodies of shields, so it could be that its development was a part of said revolution.
Now tell me it's later. :?
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Hi,Stefanos.
You may be right about Sarson.
I found it several months ago and
all I remember is that it was somewhere
Scandinavian. Good images of aspis,though.
Yes,he doesn't give the detail that you do,but
does give what years(periods)each is applicable.
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Andy the guy is commendable for undertaking the project in the first place.
What I meant though I will try to explain with an example.
There is the shield with a winged dolfin coming from attik pottery.
The winged dolfin was emlem of Megara. Appears in local coinadge and there is also a poem of Anakreon about it.
Me and Giorgos simply took it a step further.
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OK,Mark,
I almost didn't find the info I promised you
but got lucky.
Stefanos was right about it being Luke Ueda-Sarson.
I was able to find several pages of Greek shield
patterns from c.700 bc-350bc.
I just tried the web address
www.ritsumei.ac.jp/se/luv20009/
but couldn't connect.So I googled
him by name and got it. Scroll down to
Greek shield patterns and you're there.
Still, if you want to know the particulars
then Stefanos is the man.
Good luck.
Hope you find what you need.
Andy Booker
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Fascinating, Stefanos,
What's the date of the incident the pot recounts? I was thinking of images like this one when I assumed that dipylon shields would have been
in use in the period before the Classical Age. If they were in use in the Archaic period, as well as the Mycenaean, that's a "life" of about 700 years. What do you think?
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Alkmeonides and Megakleides with the aid of Spartan king Kleomenes I
overthrew Hippias in 510 B.C.
The shield is Beotian. It is the evolution of the Dipylon shield
I belive evolution was slower when it came to weaponry.
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Osprey´s "Spartan Army" the plate of the Archaic Spartan Warriors.
It is depicted as leather or oil treated skin sewn on wicker.
Dan Howard belives it was only leather or hide layers and no wicker.
He might have a point but Connoly shows a a votive pottery fragment where the image seems to have "wickerwork" painted on it.
Possibly both might be correct.
Beotian shiled is carried "horisontaly" on most potery but a stautete in Dodona shows the Beotian shield carried "vertically".
Hope I helped
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i happen to have many shield blazons recreated based on pottery or coins in vector form. they were initially created for an RTW mod. I ll post some samples
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there are plenty more and i mean plenty
aka Yannis
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Khaire,
without going through all.....who carried the Griffin.....although it will be a while before I have my own aspis...this design appeals to me...
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The enemy is less likely to get wind of an advance of cavalry, if the orders for march were passed from mouth to mouth rather than announced by voice of herald, or public notice. Xenophon
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