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The Whole North Into Gaul
Thanks Guys, I will try and search around.

Right now I'm focusing on discussing the other foederatic groups - their settlement mostly as I discussed with the Litaui and the Frisii, which the reader found very good. I also need to provide a paragraph explaining how the 5th century foederatic system worked. This section will also talk about the records of the same forces serving on both sides, and that it was likely two different groups.

I;m going to re-do the entire section on troop counts. I'll keep the passage on Olibrones/Bucellarii and Riparii/Riparienses, but re-do the rest into an analaysis of whether the Romans could contribute forces to the battle, and whether or not these forces were "Roman."

Then I'll go on to estimate the total force in the next paragraph (e.g. the later record that Riothamus fielded 12000 men against the Goths could be helpful.)

Then I'll comprehensively discuss the Huns and how their system of federates worked, and discuss whether or not the Hunnic contingent of the army was even "Hunnic." Then provide an estimate of their forces in the next paragraph.

After that I'll re-do the description of the battle to make it more clear and concise, and fix the section on the feigned retreat theory.

Then I'll go extensively into what effect this defeat may have had on Attila's Empire, and how it helped contribute towards Hunnic collapse and then the death of Aetius, which I had only passingly mentioned.

Right now just gotta get my thoughts in order.
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