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More glue - bah
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Quote:Also, what was the original Greek term for linothorax.

Linothorax :wink: It is the original term, the question is not "was there a linen cuirasse in the greek world?", but "are the type of cuirasses we describe as Tube and Yoke all/mostly/sometimes made of linen?".

The other candidate term for the T-Y is Spolades, which is likened to a leather apron, so probably leather. But then we don't know if all/most/some T-Ys were also Spolades.

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If this is completely wrong I understand but I would like to make this myself as I believe this would be very resilient armor.

Since we know next to nothing, you cannot be completely wrong- or you could, but we'd never know! The T-Y was often a composite with metal scales and plates, so a composite of leather and linen and metal does not seem unlikely at all. Linen for the tube lining and rawhide/White tawed hide for the yoke and outer shell combines the best features of the components to me.

One thing that has been a challenge to quilting is that we don't see any quilting on vase images for most T-Ys, while we appear to for some, usually worn by asiatics. Thus I would not quilt the leather to the linen in a tight pattern, but secure it more broadly in the sectioning seen on vases. Maybe this aids airflow, maybe it makes it easier to change out the lining? You could even throw some iron between the leather and linen :wink:

Of course at the end of the day, you have to ask why if you have a leather shell you need the linen at all instead of just thicker leather. That is something worth testing.
Paul M. Bardunias
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More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-11-2010, 09:02 PM
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