Quote:Vegetius mentions each soldier needed (either 3 or 6 feet) or frontage to fight properly.
This means that for 2 armies of 60000 men to operate effectively, you'd need about a 15-20km by 15-20km space for both armies.
How do you figure that? How deep are your lines?
Robert Vermaat MODERATOR FECTIO Late Romans
THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
(Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
I really don't know, cause we don't know much about the armies at Chalons.
Most of that space I proposed allotted for tactical maneuvers of the armies; namely horsemen which the huns predominately used.
You can fit 60000 people into the coliseum if i'm correct, but that's a lot of people in a small space. So if it was a mobile battle probably what I said (about 15x15), but considering it's just running uphill over and over and over it probably wouldn'y have taken more than about a 5 km x 5 km space.
Quote:I was wondering how long you thought the front of the armies were.
Lol yeah, I think I put 60 instead of 6 in my equation
Well, Aetius and the others would have had reserves, and what's a Century, like 10x8 men? There would have been about 10000 romans/bucellarii, 10000 visigoths, and 10000 others at the battle on the Roman side. Most probably each group wouldn't have commited more than a thousand to the front at any given time. So that implies a depth of about 10 ranks, and reduces the size of the battle signifigantly in reality.
This wouldn't have taken much more than 5 kilos accross, and like 2-3 kilos deep.
Hey guys, I found a ridge in a much more suitable location for the battle, it's about 2 kilos west of Pouan, which places it inbetween the Treasure and Robert's Plumba Dart. IT's much closer to the river Aube too. Will upload images later.
I'm a little off on Robert's Plumbata, but besides that it is a better possibility than Arcis-sur-Aube.
I'd rather not go to Arcis anyways, chances are that your metal detector isn't finding a shield boss, but that metal object you just hit with your shovel is a cannonball fromt he napoleonic wars...
Quote: I'm a little off on Robert's Plumbata, but besides that it is a better possibility than Arcis-sur-Aube.
Waht's the scale of this image? How many kilometers between the plumbata :grin: and the ridge?
Quote:I'd rather not go to Arcis anyways, chances are that your metal detector isn't finding a shield boss, but that metal object you just hit with your shovel is a cannonball fromt he napoleonic wars...
Or any other conflict waged around here..
Robert Vermaat MODERATOR FECTIO Late Romans
THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
(Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
So I did some more searching on Google Earth, and found that my original locations were way to shallow to be worth anything, with the change in elevation being around 5 feet. However, in 2 locations there is a significant change in Elevation - One being under a wearhouse in Arci-Sur-Aube, so out of the question, and the other being about 0.38 Kilometers away from Robert's Plumbata find.
The Red Border Demarcates the shape of the ridge. Ridge A, near Robert's Plumbata, is rougly 0.26 Kilometers in Length and is 29 feet high, or about 9 meters. IT is very steep with an incline of about 35-40 Degrees.
