Is it just artistic license / matter of changing art style that many late roman pteryges (especially the sleeves) look different than in earlier depictions? To me it looks like the pteryges might have been more closely attached to the longer sleeves of the subarmalis and not hanging loosely as in earlier versions. This is especially noticeable in later byzantine art (of which I have no good pics right now). Here are some pics attached, sorry for the very poor quality:
Well, that's indeed the question: are we looking at a changed artistic style or indeed a changed way in how the pteryges are worn? I'm not sure. Both are possible. When I look at the upper pteryges I'd say that, indeed, they seeem to be sewn together, but when I look at the lower one that would be unlogical. :-(
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I wonder if they are quilted, or possibly pleated in part?
There seems to be a lot going on.
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This is something I am toying with for a prototype subarmour... the pleating to me, in some of those images looks like the best option for achieveing the 'fall' of the garment when worn in conjunction with the armour..
It would mean a HUGE amount of linen needs to be used for the overall look and thus a garment which might be frightfully expensive to make
There was a thread on here that shows how it can be done.
I think the guy was in Canada that did it! It looked just like the images.
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God knows....I just remember the guy made a great presentation on here about it last year.
Good pictures, every thing.
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In the new Osprey book about centurions, we can see a tombstone, showing a subarmalis of a cavalry centurion. It's short sleeved, and cross quilted, like many in the middle ages.