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Roman cavalry harness
#46
What is the right combination to equip a horse with such a Roman cavalry harness trappings equipment?
Was it equipped with this type of disc all harness of this kind? Оr that was gathered collection from several horse cavalry harness ?
From this set I see that all concentric applications are with head!
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#47
On the picture you posted, the upper row if on the front of the horse. The buckles on the outher sides are for connection to the saddle. The uppermost phalerae are decorating a neckstrap.

The couple of items on he lower part are not arranged in good order and could have been part of the back-part of the harness.
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#48
The vertical straps can be seen depicted on many reliefs, as hanging down from the sides, front and rear.
Good to see my photo doing the rounds! 8-)
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#49
Quote:The vertical straps can be seen depicted on many reliefs, as hanging down from the sides, front and rear.
Goos to see my photo doing the rounds! 8-)

Is it your photo GJC? Where's it from please?

The upper discs could also be from bridle decoration (ie where the brow band/noseband attach; a pair could even be from where the reins attach to one of the "hackamore" type of bits).
Moi Watson

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#50
Picture is from British Museum London if I am not mistaken!
So all the horse-trappings contain: 5-large disk (with human heads)! 6-small (for around the neck ) and 10-medium disk( 2-for each big one).Is that all?
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#51
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Gaius Julius Caesar post=299384 Wrote:The vertical straps can be seen depicted on many reliefs, as hanging down from the sides, front and rear.
Goos to see my photo doing the rounds! 8-)

Is it your photo GJC? Where's it from please?

The upper discs could also be from bridle decoration (ie where the brow band/noseband attach; a pair could even be from where the reins attach to one of the "hackamore" type of bits).

The photo is from the British Museum Claire!
I would love a reconstruction of these.
If I could find someone who is not going to charge me twice what they charge other people,
it would be a good set to own.
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!
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#52
The upper discs could also be from bridle decoration (ie where the brow band/noseband attach; a pair could even be from where the reins attach to one of the "hackamore" type of bits).

but not in this case, the neck strap can be seen attached to the breast junction.



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#53
Quote:The upper discs could also be from bridle decoration (ie where the brow band/noseband attach; a pair could even be from where the reins attach to one of the "hackamore" type of bits).

but not in this case, the neck strap can be seen attached to the breast junction.



http://www.scribd.com/doc/12892006/Caval...Century-AD

Yes indeed.
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!
Titus Flavius Germanus
Batavian Coh I
Byron Angel
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#54
Quote:http://www.scribd.com/doc/12892006/Caval...Century-AD

Yes indeed.[/quote]

Being idle but which picture are you refering to Byron? If it's Ti Flavius (first one up), his horse's neckstrap is beads not discs as I'm sure you know...

And are we sure the ornaments are displayed as found? I am not disputing that the dics could be a neckstrap (I think I said that) but there is just as much evidence for them being used on bridles.

Edited to add: Figure 30 of the reference would support my comment.
Moi Watson

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#55
Being possibly as lazy as you are idle, I should have deleted the link. :grin:
I am refering to my photos, which John points out accurately the small discs
meet at the center of the harness around the chest, so probably were atached to a strap that goes up around the neck. At least thats what I think he means. It's how I interpret it, anyway.

I think the 2 rows in isolation in the lower right are from the rear quarter(not quite sure about the single large disc though).
But I am only going from the photo, as I did not did them up nor hacve I see na drawing showing how they were found in relation to each other.
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!
Titus Flavius Germanus
Batavian Coh I
Byron Angel
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#56
Finally the Phalerae-discs with a human head model are cast in bronze,cleaned and polished.No problems with casting quality !
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#57
The details are well expressed. But there is still much work to be complete the project ” Roman cavalry harness from British Museum exhibition”. There is an opportunity for tinning (according to the desire)
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#58
Dimensions :90 mm diameter ,depth of the ring relief 10mm.Thickness of all phalerae is 2.5 mm.Weight is about 200 g.
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