??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ???

[MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS]

and Pompeii too.

M.VIB.M.

[aitor iriarte]

Sorry, Guy Stiebel told me years ago. Mike has surely more exact information about that Flavian soldier at Gamala

Herculaneum, Henk :wink:

Aitor

[MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS]

hahaha indeed!!!! my bad!

doesnt mean there wont be one somewhere in pompeii still LOL

M.VIB.M.

[Crocus]

thank you for the many examples, but the mentioned lorica sent to the RGZM really was the kick-off for the "story"; I own a copy of the first edition of "Roman Army Equipment" but not the new one; maybe it's in there or rather in the more specialised publication on lorica seg. But I think the point has been made clear, that there was indeed a recent lorica find in eastern Europe but obviously NO more or less complete body.

regards

[Berbescu]

I was often told about unknown "treasures" buried in museum cellars which wait for "publication" or even more simply "inspection".

So the notion I got by talking to some "pros" is that there are many pieces and finds unknown to the public and sometimes even to the scientific world beyond hearsay.
regards

Most of the finds from new excavations in Romania are published within a year or two of discovery (usually in Romanian but often now with an English abstract). The problem is with old finds from more than maybe 10 or 20 years ago. There is simply a lack of museum staff to study all of the old materials and most researchers are busy studying the finds from their own excavations.

There have been lorica finds at several locations in central Romania (including Ulpia Traiana). There have been several remains of segmentata. I do not recall anything about a complete set, but I think that there are 2 (maybe 3) that have the majority of parts present. Perhaps it is regarding one of these that you heard about.

[Magnus]

Crocus, please add your name to your signature.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Thanks Aitor! Sounds interesting, perhaps there will be a report published one day? For the commoners like me to read.

[Servio Caro (Javier Sánc]

A segmentata found in Israel? I thought segmentatas were used only in the occidental part of the empire, being hamatas used in the eastern part.

very interesting... hock:

[Matthew Amt]

I thought segmentatas were used only in the occidental part of the empire, being hamatas used in the eastern part.

Nah, that's just an old theory, probably due mainly to the lack of published finds of lorica segmentata from the east. Might have been influenced by historians thinking that plate armor was "just too hot to wear" in warmer climates, too! But now there ARE solid finds of segmentata from Israel.

Come to think of it, I never saw any finds of even Roman mail armor from eastern provinces! (First to second centuries AD, at least.) So the whole theory was pretty much wishful thinking.

Vale,

Matthew

[Paullus Scipio]

Come to think of it, I never saw any finds of even Roman mail armor from eastern provinces! (First to second centuries AD, at least.) So the whole theory was pretty much wishful thinking.

.....perhaps influenced by the fact that the Adamklissi monument shows only mail ? see e.g.p.64 of Phil Barker's "Armies and Enemies of Imperial Rome" (4th edition) published 1981

[richsc]

A segmentata found in Israel? I thought segmentatas were used only in the occidental part of the empire, being hamatas used in the eastern part.

Dan Petersen mentioned that while he was at the Masada site observing the archaeologist digging there that they were discarding bits of metal; upon examination he said he recognized them as segmentata hinges and fittings.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

That would not surprise me...I watched them digging at Vindolanda...

One girl seemed to be filling the wheel barrow like that was her goal in life......then another girl comes along and picks things out of it and sets it aside......but how often does the wheel barrow get dumped into the spoils heap without examination..... :? roll:

[D B Campbell]

One girl seemed to be filling the wheel barrow like that was her goal in life......then another girl comes along and picks things out of it and sets it aside......but how often does the wheel barrow get dumped into the spoils heap without examination..... :? roll:

Hmmm ... proof again of the old adage: "If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys". :roll:

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Yet...here I am.....ooooo ooooo ooooo aaahhhahhhahhha

[Matthew Amt]

Dan Petersen mentioned that while he was at the Masada site observing the archaeologist digging there that they were discarding bits of metal; upon examination he said he recognized them as segmentata hinges and fittings.

Hmm, I heard it a little differently--might have been in one of his articles in Military Illustrated. He was looking at artifacts from a dig, though I don't think it was Masada. I seem to recall it was Gamala, but not sure. Anyway, there was stuff like a pugio hilt and a helmet cheekpiece, plus a box full of rusty junk which the the staff didn't think was very important. But he pulled out Corbridge style lobed hinges and other fittings, enough for at least a whole collar/shoulder section of a Corbridge lorica. They luckily had a copy of Robinson's book there, and when he pointed out what was there, the staff got a lot more excited. I don't know if this was all part of the now-famous Gamala lorica or a different piece.

Geez, at least I HOPE we're talking about the same event, here!!

Matthew