09-13-2008, 06:59 PM
Quote:Giannis wrote:Ah,sorry for the confusion,yes,I had the iron cuirass in mind,which incidentally,I would never call a linothorax, just because it has similar shape(it was a shamful mistake of mine that i did it now)
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What i said and i'm assuring you is that in Philip's tomb,except for the linothorax
......except for the "linothorax"? Presumably here you are referring to the intact iron Tube-and-Yoke corselet, in which case haven't you just proved the point?
Quote:Quote:Truth is I can't. I was quoting Matthew Amt and something I had long ago read in his site. I can't find it now,but he was speaking generally about armor fittings reported to have belonged to leather cuirasses, while this was purely archaologists' speculation. Perhaps Matt can add a bit more.
People have reported that in other cases similar fittings have been describes to belong in leather thorakes.
Can you give specifics, please...are you saying you have seen reports that refer to 'leather thorakes' in a Greek context ? (As opposed,say, to Scythian or Thracian tombs where leather-based Tube-and-Yoke corselets are common, and occasionally survive more or less intact.)
However,saying that Skythian leather armor proves that the Greek ones were the same,is the same and worse than us linophiles quoting ancient sources who MAY have been talking about foreign linen armor and not Greek.
By the way,leather armor has indeed been found in Macedonia,some of them almost intact,like the scaled neck guard from Derveni. Yes,this is an exception,but someone would expect something bigger and thicker like a linothorax should have survived at least partially. But the leather fragments found are so small that one couldn't identify the object they belonged to.
Theo,thanks for the photos. That Illyrian to the right is very beautiful.
You know,some of those great finds come from Sindos,a village outside of Thessaloniki,where my school is based. We have a 20 hectar farm which is basically cultivated by us agriculture students. I get crazy when i think of what I may stuck to some day hock:
Khaire
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax