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More glue - bah
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Quote:As far as I'm concerned doing this (i.e. exploring one possibility) does nothing to take away from the study of other types of armor.


I'm all for trying everything, for I don't believe this to ba a zero-sum game. That said I understand Dan's frustration because to my knowledge no one has tested the type/density of quilting he envisions with authentic Greek materials.

Scott, do you build a case for the existence of laminated linen armor, or simply test it because it has been suggested in the past? It is appropriate to do so because the notion of laminated linen is practically the default at this point, but I have never seen a strong case made for its origination other than it is "possible". You can see the problem with that. I'm assuming that all of the multiple literary and iconic references referred to in the army are about the linen portion and not the adhesive matrix. We've of course debated this ad nauseum and the best precursor we've come up with is the existence of laminated linen theatrical masks. Perhaps cross-culturally, paper armour as well.

Quote:That you might disagree with Cawkwell's thesis (and I'm fully aware you do)

I was being cheeky. Although ultimately wrong in their interpretation of Othismos, the Heretics made a great contribution in stressing elements of combat that were being cast aside and showing the weakness of the Orthodoxy- who are just as wrong in the details as the heretics are in overview.

Quote:Did you receive Juhel and Nefedkin?

Yes, I recieved both papers. Juhel's was Interesting, though I am troubled with the assertion that a "Stolas" includes a helmet. Which is a pivotal part of the paper. But we best discuss via email.
Paul M. Bardunias
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More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-11-2010, 09:02 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Mythos_Ruler - 01-12-2010, 07:23 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-12-2010, 02:26 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by hoplite14gr - 01-12-2010, 02:56 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Matthew Amt - 01-12-2010, 05:33 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-12-2010, 08:01 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-12-2010, 08:45 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by MeinPanzer - 01-13-2010, 03:53 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Matthew Amt - 01-13-2010, 04:55 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-13-2010, 06:30 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-13-2010, 03:00 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by PMBardunias - 01-13-2010, 04:07 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-13-2010, 07:05 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-13-2010, 09:25 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-14-2010, 01:16 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paralus - 01-14-2010, 02:14 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by PMBardunias - 01-14-2010, 02:49 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by MeinPanzer - 01-14-2010, 03:18 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paralus - 01-14-2010, 04:53 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-14-2010, 12:16 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 01-14-2010, 12:53 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-14-2010, 01:00 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by hoplite14gr - 01-14-2010, 01:48 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-14-2010, 09:06 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by PMBardunias - 01-14-2010, 09:18 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-15-2010, 12:24 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 01-15-2010, 01:20 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by PMBardunias - 01-15-2010, 02:19 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paralus - 01-15-2010, 02:21 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-15-2010, 02:51 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paralus - 01-15-2010, 04:37 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-15-2010, 05:12 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by PMBardunias - 01-15-2010, 06:45 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-15-2010, 08:21 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-15-2010, 09:29 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paralus - 01-15-2010, 12:47 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-15-2010, 01:14 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-15-2010, 01:22 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-15-2010, 01:33 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-15-2010, 01:45 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-15-2010, 01:50 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 01-15-2010, 01:57 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-15-2010, 02:07 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 01-15-2010, 02:14 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Astiryu1 - 01-15-2010, 03:00 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by PMBardunias - 01-15-2010, 04:31 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-15-2010, 04:42 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-15-2010, 05:49 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-15-2010, 08:56 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-15-2010, 09:00 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by PMBardunias - 01-15-2010, 10:04 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by MeinPanzer - 01-15-2010, 10:56 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-16-2010, 12:22 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paralus - 01-16-2010, 01:05 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Astiryu1 - 01-16-2010, 02:13 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paralus - 01-16-2010, 07:13 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-16-2010, 11:36 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paralus - 01-16-2010, 11:28 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-17-2010, 12:10 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-17-2010, 03:21 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Tarbicus - 01-17-2010, 11:40 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-18-2010, 06:28 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-18-2010, 12:40 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 01-18-2010, 12:54 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by MeinPanzer - 01-18-2010, 05:50 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-18-2010, 06:41 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-18-2010, 10:44 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-19-2010, 12:19 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Matthew Amt - 01-19-2010, 02:29 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-19-2010, 02:38 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-19-2010, 05:01 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-19-2010, 05:57 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 01-19-2010, 06:11 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-19-2010, 06:23 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-19-2010, 08:23 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Astiryu1 - 01-19-2010, 09:15 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-19-2010, 09:51 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-19-2010, 10:14 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-19-2010, 11:21 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-19-2010, 11:27 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-19-2010, 11:35 AM
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Re: More glue - bah - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-19-2010, 02:15 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 01-19-2010, 04:00 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Tarbicus - 01-19-2010, 04:32 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 01-19-2010, 06:04 PM
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Re: More glue - bah - by MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 01-19-2010, 08:01 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-19-2010, 08:09 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 01-19-2010, 08:14 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-19-2010, 10:26 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Astiryu1 - 01-20-2010, 07:10 AM
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Re: More glue - bah - by PMBardunias - 01-20-2010, 04:24 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-20-2010, 09:16 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Astiryu1 - 01-21-2010, 01:12 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Archelaos - 01-21-2010, 03:36 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Tarbicus - 01-21-2010, 03:56 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by PMBardunias - 01-21-2010, 05:26 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-21-2010, 07:31 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Astiryu1 - 01-21-2010, 08:47 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-21-2010, 08:52 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Astiryu1 - 01-21-2010, 09:02 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 01-21-2010, 10:05 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-21-2010, 10:49 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Astiryu1 - 01-22-2010, 12:00 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Astiryu1 - 01-22-2010, 12:30 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by PMBardunias - 01-22-2010, 04:30 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-22-2010, 10:41 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 01-22-2010, 12:50 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by hoplite14gr - 01-22-2010, 08:29 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Archelaos - 01-22-2010, 09:38 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 01-23-2010, 01:14 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 01-23-2010, 10:14 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by PMBardunias - 01-23-2010, 01:14 PM
Re: More glue - bah - by Astiryu1 - 02-15-2010, 01:02 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Tim Edwards - 03-06-2010, 09:41 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Astiryu1 - 05-09-2010, 03:47 AM
Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 05-09-2010, 09:32 AM
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Re: More glue - bah - by rocktupac - 05-09-2010, 01:36 PM
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Re: More glue - bah - by Dan Howard - 05-10-2010, 10:48 PM
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Re: More glue - bah - by Paullus Scipio - 05-11-2010, 12:40 AM
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Re: More glue - bah - by MeinPanzer - 05-17-2010, 01:45 AM
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