Sheer horror... A Trooper helmet collection...

[P Sertorius Scaevola]

Aaaahh, such a horrendous discussion...quality vs quantity. Impossible really, but it clearly states we still have a world to convince there's such a thing as getting it right. Silly me to think we've come a long way since the original Spartacus et al. We just may, yet the rest of the world is still submerged in blissful ignorance. My stomach turns considering the truth in the 'couldn't care less as long as the spectacle's good' thought. There somehow doesn't seem to be a grey area anywhere, just black and whites. You spend a lifetime trying to get it right because YOU consider it important, as in any hobby. And 'commercial' has just turned ugly...Shake & Bake groups pop up all around and demand their slice of the cake, worst of all they actually get it! A sign of the times.
Nonetheless, no reason to give in for the true of heart, just more reading to do, more effort to put in and keep up the good work!

[MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS]

Look what i just found, apparently in the collection of the Mainz museum..........

http://www.roma-victrix.com/armamentari ... ico09b.jpg



M.VIB.M.

[Paullus Scipio]

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!.....surely not???? .......Say it isn't so!! .... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Surely the 'poster' has simply attributed it falsely and/or wrongly.....or someone is playing a hoax - either for fun, or so they can point to it as 'proof' that the "Troopers" they sell are 'based on the real thing'.........

[Matthew Amt]

Well, it's not a Trooper helmet! It's the original "Auxiliary Infantry B" as shown in Robinson. Deepeeka's got a version of it, I believe, but the one you show is the real McCoy, as far as I know.

Matthew

[MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS]

Photographed from this angle i can clearly see where the idea for the Trooper came from....... hock:

M.VIB.M.

[Paullus Scipio]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Photographed from this angle i can clearly see where the idea for the Trooper came from.......

Indeed.....I just checked, and Matt is quite right, that photo is the certainly the helmet that R-R calls an Auxiliary B (p.64 "Armour of Imperial Rome"),made of bronze, and tells us it is from the Mittelrheinisches Landesmuseum Mainz, found in the Rhine and lost probably before AD 83.R-R identified it as 'auxiliary' on the strength of its extreme simplicity.....

Well, well....the origins of the "Trooper" finally revealed - even why it is called a 'trooper'.(from auxiliary troops) The curvature of the neck guard could well be post-deposit damage, but might also be original ( R-R doesn't comment that its damaged/bent ), and copying that feature would be natural.....

So if you are secretly hoarding an old 'trooper' in your collection, you have only to give it a brass/bronze finish and it can be placed with the others.... D

[M. Demetrius]

Well, after you take off the extraneous brass rosettes, rip off the brass eyebrows and other needless brass trim, all the brass edging that's around the parts, flatten the cheek guards, fill all the holes that were drilled for the aforementioned rosettes, you mean. :wink:

Contrasting all that time together with the price of a new helmet...hmm. I might just go on and get a new one instead. It could be done, mind you, but at a great expense of labor. I think I'd still trim down the long neck guard to a smaller size. One fellow simply trimmed down the neck guard, exchanged the cheek guards for something more believable and stuck a bear skin on top to cover the other features. Seemed to work ok, since you couldn't see the majority of the helmet. :!:

[richsc]

It just looks to me like the neckguard is bent and really ought to be flat, but not sure unless we can see it from some other angles? In two dimensions you can certainly imagine it as curved.

[Rado]

SALVETE
I am also not a big fan of these Trooper helmets. But here's what a picture I saw these days .Is this helmet are from a museum exhibit?Which museum is this? I think it is from one of the museums in Germany? But I am not sure.Or is it modern from Deepeeka deliberately aged? To me it is look like a real!? VALTE

[M. Demetrius]

That looks like any old Trooper, buried for a few years, then slightly cleaned up. But I'm no expert.

[Rado]

Yes..his appearance bothers me A LOT also

[Matthew Amt]

Yup, definitely a "trooper". Probably a dip in an acid bath of some sort, much quicker than burial and none of that pesky dirt. There was a post here a couple years back about some museum or other that had just bought one of these for $50,000. Woo hoo! Heck, you only have to find 2 suckers a year to live pretty well!

I've decided that laughing myself sick over stuff like this is much healthier than raging or crying!

Matthew

[Cheyenne]

Didn't someone post on here very recently that there was one of these on ebay for $16,000 ?? Looked like someone had popped it in the garden shed for a winter ...

hmmmm
Can't remember the link for the post

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Was it on here or Facebook...$16,000, yeah, what a laugh...

[Cheyenne]

faceache, yeah - that was it.. rumbled from a bloody mile off!!

I actually think I spotted a fake later middle Bronze Axe socketed axe at the Yorkshire museum when we were doing some classification research for our research skills module for the MA. I know there was one fake in the assemblage, but I broke it to the curator that I actually think there was one of the others that was a potential fake too (I spent weeks in 2008 at Flag Fen doing classification of Bronze artefacts from the last 10 years of excavations) ... she was a bit peeved, but she said she would get someone to look at it.... it was horrible! - thats a bit off topic, but it shows just how susceptible to fakes museums are

C