Helmet Lining

[Peroni]

Is there any patterns or documentation for this cap. Being that I want to do this right (as possible) it would be a shame to make a modern type lining for my soon to arrive Gallic H to only find out the cap is the correct way to go....

There's a reconstruction of the Dura cap. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/ ... eneasf.jpg


Try this link to a .pdf file..

http://www.legion-regensburg.de/acap.pd ... s%20cap%22

[Tarbicus]

Here's a plan I made for someone interested in making the Dura cap. Hopefully it'll be finished soon and I'll have a new arming cap.

[url:3fp714b5]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i311/tarbicus/dura_side.jpg[/url]

[M. Demetrius]

A thought just hit me looking at the Dura Europa "arming cap". If there were a leather thong tied to the earflap, would it not make sense for that to go through the ring on the cheekpiece of the helmet, thus binding the helmet to the cap, under the chin?

Just a thought. Don't kill me.

[Peroni]

A thought just hit me looking at the Dura Europa "arming cap". If there were a leather thong tied to the earflap, would it not make sense for that to go through the ring on the cheekpiece of the helmet, thus binding the helmet to the cap, under the chin?

We must remember that the helmet of the day for this period would have probably been the ridge or spangenhelm type. I'm not sure how the tie-arrangement was fashioned on these helmets.

[Tarbicus]

A lot of scuta for 1st/2nd C use are taken from the Dura scutum, aren't they?

I don't actually remember there being a tie cords mentioned with the original find. However, I have a more medieval linen arming cap similar in shape, and putting the ties through the cheekpiece rings really does help keep the helmet stable and in place.

[Gaivs Antonivs Satvrninvs]

I was very pleased with the Armae helmet padding suggestion that was given me by Faventianus earlier in this thread. I had it in time for our event at the museum and it worked better than any I'd tried before.
In fact, I'd have to say it was perfect.

Er,um, are we still talking about helmet lining or literary sources for them? I sometimes lose track. :?

[jho]

Apologies for resurrecting an old thread.

I just stumbled over Riggisberger Berichte Band 13: Textiles in situ Their Find Spots in Egypt and Neighbouring Countries in the First Millennium CE edited by Sabine Schrenk (256 pages, 118 illustrations, 2006)

It contains an article by Ulla Mannering on textiles from Mons Claudianus with a strange cap sewn together from triangles of thick yellow green and red felt (p. 156 Fig. 6-7 Nr. MC1110) which the author interprets as an arming cap because is also has neck and cheek flaps which would fit nicely into a helmet.

I had been aware of the Dura arming cap but not of this one. I have not found anything on the Mons Claudianus cap on this forum and therefore thought it may be of interest.

[M. Demetrius]

If there's a picture of that one, it would be very revealing. I'd like to see one. It's not that different from what I'm doing, except I glue the padded cap into the helmet. Had to be padding, even in the cheeks, not just a light leather lining. Linen over wool felt seems a good choice to me...but without any photos, it's just conjecture of speculation.

[jho]

If there's a picture of that one, it would be very revealing. I'd like to see one. It's not that different from what I'm doing, except I glue the padded cap into the helmet. Had to be padding, even in the cheeks, not just a light leather lining. Linen over wool felt seems a good choice to me...but without any photos, it's just conjecture of speculation.

I could send you a copy of the article if you PM me your email address. There is a nice photo and the cap appears to be fairly well preserved but thanks to the copying machine at the local library you will not be able to see much on my copy.However, there is also a fairly clear line drawing.

[Caballo]

Robert wrote: The cap was most probably the felt cap worn inside the helmet, not the pilleus pannonicus which would not fit inside a helmet and does not well function as a shock absorder either.

My pilleus from Adrian at Armamentaria works perfectly under my Burgh helmet.......in fact I'm wearing it in my pic on the left!

[Robert Vermaat]

It contains an article by Ulla Mannering on textiles from Mons Claudianus with a strange cap sewn together from triangles of thick yellow green and red felt (p. 156 Fig. 6-7 Nr. MC1110) which the author interprets as an arming cap because is also has neck and cheek flaps which would fit nicely into a helmet.

I vaguely recall that - are you sure it has not been mentioned here before?

Robert wrote: The cap was most probably the felt cap worn inside the helmet, not the pilleus pannonicus which would not fit inside a helmet and does not well function as a shock absorder either.

My pilleus from Adrian at Armamentaria works perfectly under my Burgh helmet.......in fact I'm wearing it in my pic on the left!

Are you sure your pilleus is not squashed? A good pilleus should be a bit stiff, right?

[Caballo]

Are you sure your pilleus is not squashed? A good pilleus should be a bit stiff, right?

Trust me, my pilleus works just fine...... :roll:

[M. Demetrius]

Trust me, my pilleus works just fine

Ahh, the boasting of youth. I remember those days.... :roll:

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Funnily enough, the liningI am doing for my Gallic A look a lot like a pileus when worn alone LOL

[Nearco]

Hi all!

I know is not a roman helmet, but anyway I would like to show you the padding of one of my helmets, maybe it can be helpful fo someone or give some ideas to do a new one