Meaning what this word: Celtic. Gaul, Galata, Gaulisc

[Treveri Gaul]

Hello.


I'm curious about that myself, how many User know the answer to that question?



Salve

Treveri Gaul

[Gaivs Antonivs Satvrninvs]

Hi,Treveri Gaul(real name please/forum rule)

It is my understanding that Celt is from Greek "keltoi" meaning foreigner
or something to that effect,non Greeks.
Gauls are the early peoples of France.

[hoplite14gr]

According to the Legend when Herkules lost some of Geriones Cattle on the way back to Mycenae he tracked them down. While wondering he met a local queen and had a son who was called Keltis.
The legend probably hides the trade relations of Minoan and Mycenan Greeks from the Bronze Age.
Al least Mycenean swords have been found in Northen Europe and Celtic swords in Pylos and Tyrins.

Kelitas is also a type of horse mentioned in the Tyrins tablets.
Keltes the people who have horses -trade horses (know the art of horsebreeding)

Kind regards

[Treveri Gaul]

Hello Andy.

My real name Vallus. This name a roman ancyan word. Palisade. Vallus, Vallum = Wall :lol:

You're right, but interested me just Keltoi word. Think I know what he did.
I wait a little more!

Later I'll tell you.

[Treveri Gaul]

Hello Stefanos.

This very good greece legend, but this idea It 's too far. I wait more.I'll let you know.


Stefanos I send to you privat message.

[Treveri Gaul]

Hello.

In BC. 500 Greek hystoriker was write, " new tribe group incoming" called Keltoi. That sure, but the Keltoi word not greek word. His in own language makes sense. This language not indoeuropian language. This language, Hungaryan language. Keltoi = / Hungaryan language: Kelet/ East/. We understand what is the Keltoi= " people incoming from the East" = Keleti.

Let's say it: Keleti - keltoi .


Salve.

[Robert Vermaat]

Vallus,

I doubt very much that this is correct. First of all, the movement of the Celts was from west to east, unlike that of the Hungarians who came from the east to the west.
Next, there are no signs of Hungarian-speaking tribes in this area dated to that time in history. Before I would even begin to accept that 'Keltoi' was a Hungarian word, I would have to see more evidence about other such words.
Third, why can't 'Keltoi' be an Indo-European word? And how would you know that these 'Keltoi' did not speak an Indo-European language?

Last, I've read/discussed much in the past decade about theories that modern groups were supposedly present far earlier in their respective regions than so far accepted. Such theories include Slavic tribes being present in Austria and nothern Yugoslavia from c. 500 BC, or Germanic tribes being present in Britain centuries before the Roman invasion.

So far, none have been able to deliver enough scientific evidence to stand their ground.

[hoplite14gr]

I point again to my explanation of the word Kelitas (horse).
Hysichios and Souda lexicons have it.
And the romantic legend of the son of Heracles simply betrays the trade relations of the Bronze Age.
Kind regards

[Treveri Gaul]

Hello.


Hoplite! 'I do not doubt you. All of that evaluated of doubt. You have learned in School.

Gaelic and Hungaryan word.


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[Andreas Gobinius]

Sorry Treveri Gaul, but language similarities are erroneous sometimes. The fact is that I don`t believe in language sources too strongly. I am not exactly sure, if I recognize your hidden mean correctly. D , were the name "Boihemum" is still alive as "Bohemia". There is a river called Nida in my region, whose name origin is connected with Celts too. However there is an archaeological evidence of Celtic settlements there, we don`t think, that we have Celtic roots. In the case of direction of the migration of Celts I share Vortigern opinion. There is no historical evidence to think about another direction.

[Razor]

Hmmm interesting question...

Just found this on the net since I don't have a book about this subject to quote from:

"According to all those historical and verifiable datas, Galicians are entitled to claim their roots are Celtic. The name of the country itself (Galicia) is eloquent enough and confirms its Celtic inheritance. You may have noticed the etymon /*gal/ is the same in the following ethnic terms: Gauls, Galatians from Ancient Galatia (who invaded Macedonia and Greece, led by the Gaulish chief Brennus) and Gaels, the well-known ethno-linguistic group which moved to Ireland, Scotland and to the Isle of Man. Gaels were called Goídeleg in Old Irish, Gaidheal in Scottish, Gaedhealg in Irish and Gwyddel in Welsh. The word "Celt(ic)" itself - I think it usually is pronounced ['kelt(ik)] in America - seems to share the same origin as the word "Gael", the common root being /*(s)kel/, meaning "powerful, prominent", even if Proto-Celtic stem /*gal(no)/ or /*galnu/ exists and expresses the notion of "power" as well..."

source: http://www.mail-archive.com/hg@hurdygur ... 00572.html

Fact is that all IE people came from the east and before that other languages were spoken in Europe.
The Celtic culture was preeminent in central Europe during the late bronze age (1200-700 BC) (if I can trust Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celt#Origi ... stribution )which might coincide with the Mycenean culture.
Also all people coming from the steppes later on during migration periods were known for their horsemanship... so why not with the IE people in the very beginning?

[Ron Andrea]

According to Angus Konstam in Historical Atlas of the Celtic World, the oldest evidence of the Celtic culture (the proto-Celtic Urmfield groups) date back to 1000 BC. "These Bronze Age people seem to have assimilated the earlier indegenonus inhabitants of the continent, and also managed to form a union with a mysterious wave of equestrian warriors who swept Europe from the east during the eighth century BC." p. 9 (Konstam's heavily mapped and illustrated Atlas is a valuable resource for plotting both Celtics but also their contact with other Europeans cultures.)

"By the beginning of the Iron Age ... these people seem to have merged into a unified culture based in modern Austria, Hungary, Germany and the Czech Republic. A burial site at Hallstatt, Austria has provided the name for these people. The 'Hallstatt' culture was the first true Celtic society, and within two centuries had managed to extend their influence throughout much of Europe." p.9

Konstam's take on "Celtic" is "The term 'Celtic" itself has obscure origins, and several thories about where it came from. Apart from archaeological evidence, everything we know about the [early] Celts came from the Greeks or Romans. Known as 'Keltoi' or 'Galatai' by the Greeks, and 'Celtae' or 'Galli' by the Romans, we don't even know what they called themselves." p. 18

Konstam claims Homer made the first historical reference to Celts in the Odyssey (ninth or eighth centure BC): "We raided the deep-flowing ocean where the Cimmerians (Celts) have their land and their town. This people is hidden under clouds, in mists that the sun's bright rays have never pierced ..." p. 18. Konstam does not give his authority for equating the Cimmerians with Celts, and we all know that identifying the "real" route and references of Odysseus is a cottage industry of the literary world.

Hope that helps.

[taira1180]

Probably they would only named their tribe, and didn't have the conscience to belong to something bigger as a celtic people.

[Ron Andrea]

I agree. Most of them, for most of their lives probably never came in contact with anyone more foreign than the next tribe, therefore tribal idenitifcation would have sufficed.

[Robert Vermaat]

Maybe then we might venture that they called themselves 'Gauls'? Even if they did not know they belonged to one people, the name might have held some meaning, so that celts in modern France as well as modern Turkey called themselves 'Gauls'?