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Lamellar and cataphract armour
#31
Quote:Can someone produce an artistic representation of lamellar that only has horizontal lines and no vertical?

Have a look at Figure 3 at http://www.geocities.com/egfroth1/Khazars

BTW, that kataphrakt seems to have his limb armour in the style shown in figs 4 and 5 at http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/cgi-auth/webshell
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#32
Quote:I split the discussion in three, with lamellar and cataphract armour as a new part, since it is different from the 'leather segmentata' discussion.

Since the discussion about our friend from Australia begins to turn in a different (re-enactment) direction, I've split the post once more.
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#33
hmmmmmm just like the origins of life, Cell division...... :lol:
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#34
Quote:hmmmmmm just like the origins of life, Cell division...... :lol:
Mitosis or Meiosis? :lol:

Awsome lamellar Egfroth in your avatar, btw.
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#35
Just to quote an item on the lamellar in "Armor of the battle of Wisby 1361 Tome 1." format PDF
Chapitre VII (witharticle of lamellar find Dura, thibet...)
http://virtuabis.free.fr/Armour%20from% ... 0t%20I.pdf



And if you will the Tome II:
http://virtuabis.free.fr/Armour%20from% ... t%20II.pdf


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#36
Thanks Schneider for these Visby battle links! Laudes coming....
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#37
Where does this armour originate? Where is Wisby? Sorry for my ignorence, but this is new to me. Heavy duty segmentaed armour, from a calveryman? And so many different suits! Amazing find! I could not open the first link which I assume was with explanatory text?

Amazing armour! Confusedhock: :o
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#38
Wisby is in Gotland, Sweden, and the armour comes from mass graves after the battle there in 1361 AD. The invading Danes massacred a peasant Swedish army. The lamellar armour coems from aa slightly earlier period and was modified to suit more up to date armour models.

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#39
I am surprized they did not strip the dead of that equipment? :o ?
Strange.
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#40
A hot summer and several days elapsed before burial...
Anyway, most corpses were stripped down before burial.

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#41
Makes you wonder what a "peasant" army was doing with such fine armor.
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#42
Gotlanders were rich peasants, Franklin, and the armour, if fine, was rather outdated :wink:

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#43
Are there any 'Wisby' books in the Osprey series? I'd be interested to see an artist's rendition of what the full kit may have looked like.
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#44
Why do people look for an Osprey book when they want to study something? There are always better sources to go to. In this case the best book is "Armour from the Battle of Wisby" by Bengt Thordeman.
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#45
Quote:Why do people look for an Osprey book when they want to study something? There are always better sources to go to. In this case the best book is "Armour from the Battle of Wisby" by Bengt Thordeman.

Answer? Because I'm lazy! :lol:

Seriously, that's only half true (although I am decidedly lazy). I like the Osprey books because they offer a great, broad overview of a particular topic, and because they're cheap and very easily accesible. I tend to use them as a jumping-off point, not necessarily an in-depth analysis.

Also just like I said in this specific case, I'm particularly interested in seeing an artist's take on the full kit, which the Osprey books are famous for.
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