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And the horse armour?
Still interested in how all this affects the performance of the horse.
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Quote:Hi guys, I found out who our ‘mystery cataphract’ is:
His name is Warren Lambley who unfortunately at the moment lives in a rural area abut an hour and a half outside Brisbane and does not have a working PC, my contact has promised to forward my enquiry on to him when he sees him in a couple of weeks. He is a member of Lion Rampant which is actually a late c14th re enactment group based in Brisbane Queensland. My contact also belongs to about a dozen guys who also have a 5th -7th century impression where they form a sub Roman/ Germanic comitatus which they jokingly call ‘Hasta Amorica’.
The gear Warren is wearing in photos is mostly made by him as he is a full time armourer. The saddle is one that was originally made for the television series Roar, another of the ‘comitatus’ members made the late roman military belt fittings and buckles that he is wearing.
I’ve invited them to join us on RAT, of course. 
Are these guys on the web anywhere? I'd love to see more pics, get an idea what their interpretation of 5th-7th c. unit looks like.
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Quote:Are these guys on the web anywhere? I'd love to see more pics, get an idea what their interpretation of 5th-7th c. unit looks like.
Alas, no. 
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Wow......how on earth did I miss this thread until now  hock:
Now what a stunning sight that is .... D
I adore that helm of Olibrius's too.....!
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I can disclose that Warren Lambley, our Cataphract from Down Under, will soon join us as a new member on this forum!
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Mail that was intended to be worn under lamellar would weigh nowhere near this much. IMO it would be closer to half this weight (5-6 kg). Historically only riveted mail that was intended to be the primary defense (i.e. not layered under something else) would weigh 10 kg.
I'm also unconvinced that the legs were covered with segmented plate. Most of the illustrations look more like traditional cloth leg bindings rather than metal armour.
Quote:Non pas autant! Not as much!
I would say towards the 35 kg
Simulation
Manica arms: 1.8 Kg
Lamellaire 4 Kg (option leger)
Maille 10
helmet 3.4
subarmalis 2
dress 1
belt 1
caligae 1
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= 24.2 KG
adds another manica arms left: + 1.8kg
adds 2 manica for legs: 2.5 kg x2 = 5 kg.
(With thickness: 1mm)
For the moment 31 Kg, and without the shield (if) and contus and swords
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So when is Warren going to be joining?
Dan, I hate to butt heads here, but many of the pics I've seen look alot like segmented plate on the legs!
I'm sure even one of the sources, don't ask me which, says some thing about bands of iron encasing the legs and arms. Not being an expert, only reading for the pleasure of it, I tend to forget where I read these things..... :roll:
PS when are you going to post some more pics of you and your gear? Would like to see your weapons too. I assume you have a bronze Mycenae (Need to check on that spelling :oops: ) sword?
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Quote:So when is Warren going to be joining?
As soon as Jasper clears him.
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Is he a dodgy character then? :lol:
Edit, well I suppose a catephracte running amok amongst us cultured Romans could do some damage!!! hock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Quote:Edit, well I suppose a catephracte running amok amongst us cultured Romans could do some damage!!!
You bet!
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:lol: That looks like a totalwar image? is it?
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Oh yes, found it with "Google" of course, seemed to fit your comment :wink: ...
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Avete,
Wow, Olibrius and Warren Lambley look great ! hock: 8)
BTW, I recently took these snapshots from "Fall of the Roman Empire"
Cataphract Charge
Cataphract Warfare
Interesting helmet
Cataphract Armor
Horse Armor
Throw your pila !
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FOUR columns of Persians !
The Hordes of Persia
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WOW, so when did this film come out?
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1964
It's worth owning even though it may not be a great film to watch, IMO. It was filmed on a MASSIVE scale. Lots of extras (the Spanish Army), the best costumes (IMO), the best sets, Sir Alec Guinness, James Mason, Christopher Plummer, Anthony Quayle and Omar Sharif
(Oh yeah, and Stephen Boyd, Sophia Loren :roll: )... :wink:
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