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I was refering to the first two pictures and I'm probably wrong.In such frescoes,however identification differs in books and articles.
The shape of the shield in the last painting resembles the hoplite shield but I posted it because the size is clearly that of a pelte.
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Quote:Well I know diferent books & site, name diferently these persona....
But wasnt Antigonos gonatas one eyed like philip II ?
These portrait is not one eyed, at less the name of him is there.
Also its too young, Antigonos was an old man already... the father of Poliocertes.
That's Antigonus Monophthalmus, not Gonatas. Gonatas was the Macedonian king from 294 to 239 BC.
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Quote:I was refering to the first two pictures and I'm probably wrong.In such frescoes,however identification differs in books and articles.
The shape of the shield in the last painting resembles the hoplite shield but I posted it because the size is clearly that of a pelte.
Khaire
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The rim of such a shield would have made it impossible to use by a phalangite, and size is no indicator because artists were clearly very free with the depictions of the sizes of shields (like spears).
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Is there any depiction of phallangites in vases?
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Quote:Is there any depiction of phallangites in vases?
I only know of 2 definite depictions of phalangites in Hellenistic art: One is on the Pergamon battle plate and the other is on a votive relief from an unknown provenance. Both of these show soldiers wielding sarissae with both hands, and so are undoubtedly phalangites. For other depictions of Hellenistic soldiers, it's unclear if they are supposed to be hoplites or phalangites simply not fighting in a phalanx.
Since figure art on vases basically disappeared after the 4th C. BC, I don't think I know of many, if any, good depictions of heavy Hellenistic soldiers on them at all.
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It's Pompeiian and 1st C. AD, IIRC. Almost all of the paintings from Pompeii and Herculaneum are copies of Hellenistic originals. There is some interesting information about Hellenistic soldiers which can be gleaned from some Pompeiian paintings, but it's often omitted because it's almost impossible to know how much was changed in them when they were copied over.
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I've always wondered about the mechanics of copying Hellenistic art, incidentally. For sculpture you could go to the original and set up shop nearby, but that would be impractical for mosaics and wall paintings that were wanted across the sea. So did artists make a small copy and copy that and their memories?
It seems that there are a lot of amazing Hellenistic/Roman period paintings coming up on these forums lately. Can someone please recommend some good hard-copy references for ones with militaria? Online images tend to be too small, context is sometimes missing, and resolution is poor unless you print them out; you also can't apply a magnifying glass, or lay your reference beside your notepad as you take notes and sketches (although seeing something online is far better than not seeing it at all).
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