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Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2?
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Quote:Good points, Carlo! I also like how the helmet encloses the face, the impression these late roman helmets make is awesome and haunting. Btw, what do you think about my theory on the "Heteny" thread?:

"The thing why I thought Christies helmet is a fake is this: the nose guard doesn`t resemble any surviving examples of late roman nose guards. In fact the nose guard resembles only one reconstruction, which has no basis on real life examples. The shape is quite the same, also having a "ridge" which I have never seen on a real life example. The basis of this is the [i]reconstructed and hypotethical nose guard which you see usually attached to the Budapest jewelled helmet (it has also the original nose guard, which is rarely seen attached to it). I think the person who made the Christie`s helmet copied this fantasy nose guard, thinking it is based on a real life example. Gotcha! Wink[/i]"

Then again the Deurne and Berkasovo helmets have a slight ridge on their nose guards :errr: ...
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I think that your observation is an insurmountable obstacle for those who claim the originality of the work.

The method used by you, it is also used by the best art critics: The Counterfeiters, even the most experienced among them, always brings a part of their historical time, within the fake they are building, ...it is an unavoidable fact that nobody can escape, because we don't belong to the time we are trying to replicate, so, we need to use part of our present to replace the missing parts of the past, but .... doing this, we leave traces and imprints of our crime .... then a good and competent observation is sufficent to discover the truth.

Anyway I would pay a lot of money for the helmet! I love it too much! OK, IMO it's a fake for sure, but ... sometime we need to dream! Cool

@Nathan Ross: Some years ago, I was making a model (maquette) for the architectural study in which I work, in those years it was very fashionable using metals and poor materials looking old and seasoned, in contrast to the modernity of the project, so in short, we were using copper plates and we needed to reecreate a seasoned look, and I can guarantee that using the right acids in few hours we managed to get an amount of copper oxide, that not even an ancient Greek object would have possessed.
Also in this case I feel the action of some acid? corroding liquids? chemical reagents? ... each metal has its own accelerator of oxidation, oxidation is only a chemical combustion. I repeat in my opinion, in this helmet/s the oxidation patina is too homogeneous.
You know for sure that there are tables representing the dimensional increase of iron produced by rust, now look at the central ridge, look at the points where it is fixed to the shell of the helmet, look how it's thin and perfect, there isn't any deformation .... it's a fake!
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Messages In This Thread
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-27-2013, 06:17 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Conal - 01-28-2013, 04:27 AM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Renatus - 01-28-2013, 09:22 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-13-2014, 05:40 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-13-2014, 06:25 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-13-2014, 08:07 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-13-2014, 08:25 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Diocle - 01-13-2014, 09:26 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-13-2014, 09:31 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-14-2014, 07:52 AM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-15-2014, 08:00 AM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-15-2014, 08:55 AM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Renatus - 01-16-2014, 12:30 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Renatus - 01-16-2014, 02:49 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-17-2014, 07:22 AM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-17-2014, 10:09 AM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-17-2014, 01:41 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-17-2014, 04:48 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 01-23-2014, 07:49 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Conal - 02-01-2014, 08:41 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Conal - 02-01-2014, 08:58 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 03-06-2014, 02:53 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Conal - 03-09-2014, 09:41 AM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 03-09-2014, 11:40 AM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Conal - 03-09-2014, 06:23 PM
Christies Late Roman helmet: 1 or 2? - by Virilis - 03-09-2014, 06:49 PM

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