Makedonian leather body armour

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

You took the word out of my mouth Ruben! 8)

[PMBardunias]

I found the original publication of the find. I'll try to get it through interlibrary loan, but the journal- AEMTH 15 (2001) (To Archaiologiko ergo ste Makedonia kai Thrake OCLC# 28613406) is not commonly subscibed to by american universities.

If anyone is at a university, other than the University of Florida, please see if your school subscribes. I'll share what I find.

Paul

[Jason Hoffman]

Yes i would like to add to this one too even academics are guilty of the presumption of leather armour many studies i have read talk about leather / felt and many other materials for armour until you start digging through their references and you quickley discover that they presume it is leather or felt. I think they have been preprogramed by hollywood as well

[Ioannis]

I found the original publication of the find. I'll try to get it through interlibrary loan, but the journal- AEMTH 15 (2001) (To Archaiologiko ergo ste Makedonia kai Thrake OCLC# 28613406) is not commonly subscibed to by american universities.

If anyone is at a university, other than the University of Florida, please see if your school subscribes. I'll share what I find.

Paul

Paul, I can find the paper and scan it.

[PMBardunias]

Paul, I can find the paper and scan it.

That's great, thanks. At the risk of pushing my luck, do you or anyone else have access to this paper? I can't access it.

"The Early Hoplite Phalanx. Order or Disarray?"
A Schwartz - Classica et mediaevalia, 2002

[Ioannis]

I think I can find this one as well.

[Paullus Scipio]

Paul B wrote:-

I found the original publication of the find. I'll try to get it through interlibrary loan, but the journal- AEMTH 15 (2001) (To Archaiologiko ergo ste Makedonia kai Thrake OCLC# 28613406) is not commonly subscibed to by american universities.

To Ioannis:

There are actually annual reports, from 1999 or 2000 to 2005 at least, and possibly later.....it is probably the later ones that will be of more interest

[Paullus Scipio]

Jason Hoffman wrote:-

Yes i would like to add to this one too even academics are guilty of the presumption of leather armour many studies i have read talk about leather / felt and many other materials for armour until you start digging through their references and you quickley discover that they presume it is leather or felt. I think they have been preprogramed by hollywood as well

......and others are pre-programmed to presume 'glued linen layers', even when there is no evidence for it whatsoever, other than Peter Connolly's imaginative hypothesis! :wink: :wink: lol: :lol:

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Oh,not again!At least not here :lol:

[Paullus Scipio]

Giannis wrote:-

Oh,not again!At least not here

...I've no intention of re-opening that debate...at least until these Makedonian graves give up their evidence.....I was merely pointing out that Jason's point, which is perfectly valid, cuts both ways...you ( I think)also gave a good illustration of this in that some of the fittings from the 'Philip' tomb are labelled in the museum 'fittings from a linothorax' hock: ....which is a very bad assumption indeed ! :wink: lol: :lol: :lol:

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Indeed I did imply so.
Except they did find something we don't know yet :wink:

[Ioannis]

Schwartz, A. 2002. "The Early Hoplite Phalanx. Order or Disarray?" Classica et mediaevalia: http://www.geocities.com/i_georganas/schwartz.pdf

[Paullus Scipio]

...Alas, Ioannis, that link leads to a Yahoo message that says "page unavailable"........

[Ioannis]

Anyone interested in the article, drop me a line and I'll email it to you.

[Paullus Scipio]

To Ioannis:-

Any luck yet getting information on ANY of the Makedonian warrior grave excavation reports?

Is there a problem somewhere?...it would be particularly nice getting a report of the first quarter 5th century B.C. graves ( contemporaneous with Persian Wars)

Is anyone else able to access these? :? ?